Takeshi Nogami, original character designer for Girls und Panzer, went on Twitter to talk about an interview he had with BBC Three for a documentary titled “Young Sex for Sale in Japan.” Nogami said he had a three hour interview with British journalist Stacey Dooley for the project.
What was supposed to be a session involving Dooley asking Nogami about his opinion about the depiction of young girls in anime ended with Dooley commenting, “My desire is to put all pedophiles and ones who produce pedophilic media in jail.” Nogami alluded that Dooley lumped him into this group.
Nogami said that their one-on-one session devolved into an argument about “human desire.” Nogami admits that he believes humans inherently have dirty desires and need an outlet to act on them. Dooley is the opposite – she feels humans don’t have dirty desires, but can be corrupted through media showing gore, erotica, and pedophilia.
Nogami noted that Dooley’s conviction on the topic was so strong, that she came off as an assassin from Black Lagoon. While he believes in justice, it’s scary that someone would go to great lengths to promote their own sense of justice on a topic they are not familiar with.
During the interview, Nogami commented on the UK’s poverty issue (6.5% of the population lives in poverty with an extra 16.5% at risk of becoming impoverished). According to Nogami, Dooley ignored this comment and continued about how all fiction sexualizing young girls should be banned. Girls und Panzer and Yuyushiki were used as arguments for a ban in the documentary – though these two series are mild examples at best.
The interview ended with a very hotly contested exchange. Before leaving, Dooley asked Nogami, “Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?”
Nogami replied, “Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized and have a lower crime rate than the UK?”
For reference, Japan has a crime rate of 12.8 compared to the UK’s rate of 48 according to NationMaster.
In the end, Nogami said he regretted that their opinions were irreconcilable and felt that Dooley was going to misrepresent his words to distract the UK from their own sex-crime issues. For reference, the UK has a rape rate of 14.2 (13th highest in the world) while Japan has a rate of 1.7 (54th highest in the world).
Nogami’s interview was not included in the finished documentary.
Nogami’s complete Twitter exchange was translated by Twitter user @walterinstict:
“I was interviewed by this lady at my workplace. One-on-one Q&A session for three hours.
“Through that, I realized one most important thing. I was thinking about releasing it online as manga, but…The core difference between this interviewer and myself was the attitude towards human beings. My position is ‘all human beings have dirty desires. Isn’t it better to be vented appropriately?’
“On the contrary, Ms Susie stated this. ‘All human beings are naturally innocent and have no dirty desires, and reading media depicting erotic, pedophilic, and gore contents will affect them to be corrupted.
“Then I realized. So, the definition of human being or ‘operating system’ is different. After the three hour long interview, this realization was the most productive experience, I think.
“Oh, on top of that, she said, with the look of a hitman from Black Lagoon, ‘My desire is to put all pedophiles and ones who produce pedophilic media into jail.’
“Ah, ‘justice’ is kinda scary when it infects people. Isn’t trying to substitute everything into the subject of that sentence? It’s been two times where I was interviewed like this. She ignored me when I said, ‘Don’t look at us to turn away from your problem within the UK.’
“During the interview, we touched upon ways that we can tackle the child abuse issues in the Commonwealth world. She said, ‘banning all fiction like this!.’
“I suggested, ‘Well, solve poverty first. Legalizing fiction that has no victims will lower the crime rate.’
“She seemed like she didn’t get the idea. It seems her view is a common one throughout the Commonwealth countries. That’s why you can get arrested for having a porn comic in Canada. So objection in words might not help much. It might be better to foster young, enthusiastic comrades within them.
“Ms. Susie asked me, with formal voice, ‘Why don’t you Japanese people follow what the UK does?’
‘So I answered, ‘Why don’t you British people follow Japan, since we’re more civilized, and have a lower crime rate than the UK.?’
What are your thoughts?